my rant about the cost of free speech

[DataJack]

this is the cost of free speech...to be held accountable for what we say.
to say there are no repercussions for what we say or type is like covering our eyes and saying...if i can't see it, it can't see me.
there have been times on this forum where i was out of place and was held accountable for it...and i agree with this accountability.
when i make a post and say something that people disagree with and they post back what they feel it would be very easy for me to not reply or just forget the post exists.
i believe however that this forum is a meeting place of minds seeking not only knowledge but a break from the real world.
the break for me however does not go all the way into fantasy and i will hold myself responsible for what i post and will try to clarify my thoughts to some one who replies to my posts.
i come here because there are a lot of very smart people that post here and even though some of our veiws may be radical in difference, we are all basicly the same when it comes to how we treat each other.
that treatment is what is called the basic respect everyone should hold for another person...and i have failed in that even here on this forum...but again...i was held accountable for it.
bottom line is i will stand by what i say here...and if people want to hold me accountable for it that is fine by me...no hard feelings if they do hold me accountable.
so if anyone wants to debate scripture with me or just " chew the fat " so to speak thats fine...but don't run and hide...teach me if i am mistaken...explain to me how i am mistaken..and feel good about giving some one accurate knowledge that may save their life or soul...
thankyou

[Alec]

I'm not real fond of debating. It seems like most people (including me) are more interested in being right than being educated. We're more interested in sharing our viewpoint than understanding others'.

so if anyone wants to debate scripture with me or just " chew the fat " so to speak thats fine...but don't run and hide...teach me if i am mistaken...explain to me how i am mistaken..and feel good about giving some one accurate knowledge that may save their life or soul...
It seems like you are still annoyed with Grimey. "run and hide" sounds like a cheap shot at him. He is not morally obligated to debate with you. You appear to be trying to harrass or goad him back into the debate. You need to let it go, man.

Your 4th or 5th post (http://frappydoo.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3726) was your introduction where you said that "all of us here believe in god, jesus, and the holy spirit..." This isn't a Christian board. We have members that are atheists, witches, Jews, etc. We even have a mod that is an atheist. Most of the people here just like to have fun and make friends. It kind of seems like you joined here because you thought it was a Christian board and wanted to debate your beliefs that according to you "will probably upset many people." Well, you've picked the wrong place if that is your goal. Frappydoo is a general interest board. If you want to debate theology, there are a lot of boards more oriented to that than frappydoo.

I'm glad you're here, but not if you just joined with an agenda to "upset many people." That's not what frappyland is about, IMO.

[Justawoman]

I have to agree Alec. If anyone would bother to actually look at the threads here on Frappyland you would notice that the silly threads outway the political/religious serious stuff by a landslide. Why? Geez Jack that should tell you that yes we all may be intelligent and can debate but we come here to have fun. When you don't let an issue go and respect someone's decision not to debate with you, then you take the fun out of it. Have you noticed how folks don't post when you go overboard? Take the hint and lighten up. IF you want to debate theology and get down and dirty then find another forum to bounce those things around in. But come here to have fun and not to goad someone into a mudslingin' debate about whose idea of religion is right or wrong. I don't think Christ would do that. He stated the truth and then left it up for us to decide. We all get where you are coming from, now respect everyone's right to not debate how they believe. No one here owes you an explanation of why we believe the way we do. Maybe if you went back and actually read Grimey's posts you would see He did tell you exactly what he bases his beliefs on. You just don't want to accept it.

[DataJack]

like i said...i take responsibility for what i post..and i have been wrong on some things....but on this i am not wrong because i did not point out any one person...alec did that. what i was doing was letting people know what MY views were on free speech and what i would do or say here i would accept responsibility here...tell me please alec...what makes Grimey so important that i have to make a post about him...the problem with any forum is that its the typed word and no emotion or body language can be seen. if you could have seen my body language or heard the emotion you would have seen that Grimey was not the object of my so called lack of affection. Grimey if you think this post is about you i am sorry....its not...
alec...what went on at sineaters can stay there...i have gone back to view it but i will not be posting there again...unless pack momma or someone else says something...as far as this being a christian forum i stand corrected on that...but in the christian threads is where i meant my views may upset some people. please do not think i joined to just upset people...i joined primarily because of what i saw being wrote here and people were not sheep...
i guess that peoples skins are too thin and i should hold my views to myself...that way i will be one of the so called sheep who follows with no idea where i am going.again the bottom line comes to this...what i post i am responsible for and anyone posting a reply to my post deserves an answer...its called respect...and i respect the right for all of us to have different views and be able to express them...but once expressed we either explain our selves or do not express them...after all..we all post hoping some one will reply and we can get into a debate of sorts...
my intent is not to make people upset...but to have them think on what i say...lol..even if it is for only one second...every post i have read here has made me think...i am trying to return the favour.

if anyone takes any type of offence to my posts...offending you was not my intent...having you think about what i have to say and posting back so i may think on what you have to say is/was my intent.
i will/am saying sorry to all who i have offended.

and even if people refuse to like me here thats fine...its still a GREAT forum and makes me think and yes change some of my veiws...ty for a great forum folks.

p.s. i got me a great little spell checker that loads right into my internet explorer...my spelling mistakes will go down if i remember to use it...

[raybeck]

Jack, I pretty much agree with everything the other's have stated above. I don't reply to your posts, they are much too heavy for me and I don't like to debate most things, especially religion. I learned a long time ago it is okay to say where you stand on religion, plant a seed and then let it grow. Sometimes folks are more tuned off, by some long drawn out debate...the majority of us come on FrappyDoo to just chill out and have some fun after a long day, I know that's why I am here. You need to enjoy just chilling out with us and have some fun, everything does not have to be debated to death! We pretty much know how you feel about things and respect that, so you have to, in return, respect us, too. Okay..................just have some fun on here, you might like it, okay (but let's not debate whether you like it or not...j/k...lol)!!!

[pack momma]

I don't reply to your posts, they are much too heavy for me and I don't like to debate most things, especially religion.

Sometimes folks are more tuned off, by some long drawn out debate...the majority of us come on FrappyDoo to just chill out and have some fun after a long day, !



Wow, What a thread, (indeed we seem to be continuing the contravesial one since most of us are here talking about the same thing lol) This time,
rather than stirring the pot, which we all know I am quite capable of doing, allow me to try to act the role of peacemaker)


I see the points everyone has made, and each of them is valid in their own context and point of view. Now let's consolidate those points....which, Beck, I think you did nicely above.

l. if it gets too hot to handle, don't listen, walk away, no one is forcing anyone to listen or comment to anything (oh yes, walk away Without the last word!)

2. there are only 2-3 contraversial hot spots on frappy,and lots and Lots of fun stuff. go there to unwind instead of making yourself upset. No one is twisting anyones arm to "go get heated up" If you can TAKE the heat as well as Dish It Out, then go for it and remember to play nice.

[jamesglewisf]

I have a contribution to this serious discussion. {fart}

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Warner Brothers cartoon music playing in the background...

Have fun everybody!

[Noseypoo]

Good one {nudge} {rotflmbo}

[raybeck]

Well....I never.... {toothy}

[DataJack]

I have a contribution to this serious discussion. {fart}

{thbthb}{thbthb}
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Warner Brothers cartoon music playing in the background...

Have fun everybody!

wow james...is that a two handed tongue job times six....if it is i feel honoured...even if it is not i will do a jig to the tune.....ty.....LOL

[Noseypoo]

It's all in good fun, Data. {nudge}

Don't be mad :(

[DataJack]

I just have to add something else...like i said...i come here to learn and exchange knowledge as i find the people here very intellegent...and the lght may have come on over a certain spot...i am probably far to serious about life and really do need to loosen up....and frappydoo and its minions just may do that...lol.ty

[Noseypoo]

You do seem a little pushy sometimes, but we love ya anyways. {baldy} {laughc}

[raybeck]

My wife is so tired of being the only adult in this relationship

You just need to let us see that side of you that your wife gets to
to see... {toothy}

[Hannamoren]

i am probably far to serious about life and really do need to loosen upThen you sure have come to the right place! {baldy}

[Justawoman]

Yeah I agree with Beck.... I wanna see the kid in ya Jack.

[DataJack]

if'n y'all sawed da keed that leaves in dis hare body y'all might not want ta come on out and play....but den agin y'all mighten not want ta go back home either....lol
i will try to loosen up....my wife really does think i am just a big kid.....kinda hard to express that in type for me...but i want to thank y'all for letting me rant anyways.....lol...hmmmmmmm...now to find something else to crow about....





(just joking)

[raybeck]

HI, Jack, it's kind of quiet here tonight, glad to see you speaking up...lol

[Hannamoren]

if'n y'all sawed da keed that leaves in dis hare body y'all might not want ta come on out and play....but den agin y'all mighten not want ta go back home either....lol
HEY; WE NEED A TRANSLATER OVER HERE!!!!{madcow} {dizzy} If this is how they talk in Canada, I need to practise a bit more before taking another trip!

[Justawoman]

{rotflmbo} I would say that one sentence made Redneck slang look normal. I tell you what.

[Hannamoren]

I have to edmit, I had to read it 3 times, and in my head I could hear a cowboy {cowboy}saying it, before I understood what he ment. {laughp}Good practice, though! It makes me sweat when I think of my daughter down in Texas, with her propper english.{yikes}

[pack momma]

The way I read that, he sounded just like Gambit on the X-men cartoons


Yup, this ole gal still likes cartoons!

[Justawoman]

Cowboys make more sense than that, well, unless they have chew in their jaw. Jack was trying to write like a child who has to sound out the words or at least that is what I thought because of the previous posts made to him. Could be wrong and it wouldn't be the first time.

[DataJack]

Cowboys make more sense than that, well, unless they have chew in their jaw. Jack was trying to write like a child who has to sound out the words or at least that is what I thought because of the previous posts made to him. Could be wrong and it wouldn't be the first time.

A CHIL'...hunny baybee...i doe not need to sownd lik' a chil'....i IS a chil'

(as my wife keeps telling me...honey....you can't have a second childhood......you have not left your first)

[kezzer]

lol {rofl}

Growing up just isn't any fun!

[DataJack]

lol {rofl}

Growing up just isn't any fun!
no kidding...thats the secret.....have no kids....

[raybeck]

Well, I thought it was Canadian talk or something....shows you how much I know...lol

[Justawoman]

I get more and more confused with each post Beck.It ain't just you. Maybe we need to sit in the corner together and just watch the show. {popcorn}
I will bring the goodies you bring the drinks.

[Hannamoren]

{popcorn}
I will bring the goodies you bring the drinks.I'll bring a chocolate-cake!{coffeepc}

[Noseypoo]

I'll bring the calf fries! {woohoo}

[Hannamoren]

I'll bring the calf fries! {woohoo}ehhhh........you don't have to do that. Just come, we have enough to eat anyway.{nudge}

[Noseypoo]

What are you trying to say? {quiver}

[raybeck]

You'll be sittin alone, Noseypoo...lol

I'll bring the Diet Dr. Pepper, my choice of drink!!!

Glad I'm not the only confused one either, JAW... {confused}

[Noseypoo]

{bawling2}




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[Lino]

ehhhh........you don't have to do that. Just come, we have enough to eat anyway.{nudge}
is it ok to join if I only bring my teeths and a lot hunger and thirst?

[raybeck]

Sure, Lino, everybody's welcome, maybe we can figure this thread out... {toothy} {fonzy}

[Hannamoren]

, maybe we can figure this thread out... {toothy} {fonzy}I don't think there is any chanse of doing that{knit}

[Noseypoo]

Maybe we should open a new thread, since this one is {offtop} again {laughc}

Man, we're bad about high-jacking threads {toothy}

[raybeck]

Oh, but ain't it {bananas} FUN...

[Noseypoo]

Definitely {thumbsu}

[Alec]

What is it with you women and calf fries. You're going to run all of the guys off if you keep talking like that. ;)

[Noseypoo]

Allright, I'll stop {blush2}

But tell us, what should we talk about so you guys post more. ;)

[Lino]

Allright, I'll stop {blush2}

But tell us, what should we talk about so you guys post more. ;)
I wrecken the girls should talk more about cars, sports and about what they do please their hubbies or boyfriends!

[Noseypoo]

I wrecken the girls should talk more about cars, sports and about what they do please their hubbies or boyfriends!
Oh why did I have to ask :8|

[Justawoman]

Yep you asked Noseypoo and I don't think Lino would like my idea of sports, cars, and what I do to please my hubby. If he stays out of my way I am pleased, he is pleased, the whole house is happy. If he keeps my oil changed, I keep the car washed, I am pleased, he is pleased, the whole house is happy. If he lets me watch Pro Rodeo and Nascar, I am pleased, he is pleased, the whole house is happy and in turn he gets football in the fall. As long as he can hit the dirty clothes hamper his laundry gets done. If not I am pleased I have that much less to do. I work outside the house, he works outside the house....My philosophy," I did not create this entire family by myself or the mess that came with it. Get up off your duff and help if you want more out of me than a grumpy ole lady."

But really though I ain't that bad. I tend to stick to myself. They all know it's best to just let Momma alone most days. {evil} {rotflmbo}

[Noseypoo]

{laughc}

[raybeck]

Kind of like "If Momma ain't happy, ain't nobody happy", JAW...lol

[Justawoman]

Exactly you all ........ can you all identify?

[raybeck]

Exactly you all ........ can you all identify?

YES!!! And isn't it weird how true that little saying is? ha ha

[DataJack]

calf fries.....is dat dere sometin akin ta pray-ee oy-stirs?

and no its not canadian talk..its buba talk...i live in a town called bubatucky in the state of cornfusion...heh

[raybeck]

calf fries.....is dat dere sometin akin ta pray-ee oy-stirs?


Probably, only bigger!!! lol

[Alec]

Allright, I'll stop {blush2}

But tell us, what should we talk about so you guys post more. ;)
Just use Paypal to send me money so that I can retire early and spend all day on FrappyDoo.

[Noseypoo]

{twocents} Sorry, but that's all I got {toothy}

[DataJack]

Probably, only bigger!!! lol
ummm......prarie oysters are the gonads off a bull cut in half so they look like a HUGE oyster sitting on your plate

[raybeck]

Ewwwww, guess I was picturing them being from a prairie dog...lol Guess not!!! {rofl}

[Hannamoren]

gonads Another word I should add to my new Frappydoo dictionairy???{bananas}

[Noseypoo]

Feel free {rotflmbo}

[Hannamoren]

You are so very nice, Noseypoo.{curtsy}

[Noseypoo]

{blush2} {hug}


{rotflmbo}

[Hannamoren]

I just wonder what my familly will say when I share these new words with them: Like Gonads, calf fries, and flatulence.........{laughp}

[raybeck]

Hanna, some things you just shouldn't share............. {toothy}

[DataJack]

Hanna, some things you just shouldn't share............. {toothy}
like calf fries or prarie oysters.....lol

[Justawoman]

Unless you have ketchup/catsup......................wooooooweeeeeeeee!! {yipee}

[Noseypoo]

{pukeface}

[raybeck]

Well, I'm sure they taste "just like chicken"..................so just eat chicken!

[Noseypoo]

You must've eaten some weird chicken then ... {laughc}

[Justawoman]

Nah I bet Beck had barbeque sauce on it.. it goes with anything too, even rattlesnake.