Nakedness

[Noseypoo]

Just wanted to get that off my chest.

How come People can't accept the human body? Seems like a lot of People are prudes when it comes to the Nakedness. I for once have no problem with seeing naked people on Commercials, Billboards etc.

Any Comments?

[Hannamoren]

I think there is a different from which country you are from. In Norway it is "normal" to breastfeed your baby anywhere at any time. On a bus, at a restaurant..... And most people go topless at a beach. So to us a naked breast is no big deal. But I have got the impression that it is a lot different in America?

[raybeck]

Hmmmm, well, long as it isn't my nakedness, then OKAY!!! {eyes}

[jamesglewisf]

You can read my thoughts on it here:
http://www.movieswithoutnudity.com/fleeimmoralitypublish.pdf

[ladybug56]

{toothy} jim.. this is why MY SIGNATURE!..the planet would be full of us!, just a shakin our Booty! ;)

[Justawoman]

You all can't vent your nakedness on Frappyland. I am so shocked!!! {eek2} {laughp} {blush} {eektext}

[theyeti]

But I have got the impression that it is a lot different in America?
Erm, yes. Quite a lot different, indeed.

Ask us again in a few decades Hanna, and we'll probably have caught up ;)

[ladybug56]

You all can't vent your nakedness on Frappyland. I am so shocked!!! {eek2} {laughp} {blush} {eektext}



you are tooo funny JAW!! Nada, I couldn't "Vent My Nakedness" ANY WHERE!!!{popworm} Goodness girl!.. get a grip!..Unless of course, we had a world with no men!.... just think, no more Laundry!!.. {flame} I say BURN THE BRA!!

[Justawoman]

Ah!!! I need lingerie. I am more girly than I let on.

[ladybug56]

I know JAW,but no men, remember?Hey guy's we still love ya,we couldn't do without ya!..just us gals having a silly night!{toothy}

[Hannamoren]

I have read your view on it, Jim, and this makes another interesting( I think) question. What does women think of this view? Is really a mans lust a womans responsability? I am not going after you , Jim, just wondering what other people think about this.

[Noseypoo]

Erm, yes. Quite a lot different, indeed.

Ask us again in a few decades Hanna, and we'll probably have caught up ;)Pack your stuff up and take a road-trip through Europe, Yeti ... you're still young :)
You'll see, it's a lot more relaxed when it comes to Nudity ... nothing get blurred out on TV, topless people in the parks & swimming pools ... guess what, nobody cares or even looks at you funny. {toothy}

[Justawoman]

Ah!!! I need lingerie. I am more girly than I let on.

I don't buy my unmentionables ( my grandmother's word) because of my spouse. I like pretty undergarments for me. I sorta live in a world of nothing but women anyway. All daughters, the cat is a girl, I work with women, so I don't give men that much thought. I quoted me. Too sleepy still to put ladybugs quote in here about no men. More coffee folks. Going to have to hook up an IV this morning.

[Justawoman]

Just wanted to get that off my chest.

How come People can't accept the human body? Seems like a lot of People are prudes when it comes to the Nakedness. I for once have no problem with seeing naked people on Commercials, Billboards etc.

Any Comments?

As I was clicking out of this thread I just had to come back and say this to Noseypoo. I am going to quote a WWII movie. This is one of my all time favorite lines from any movie and oh so appropriate here.

I am afraid we (you - Nosey dear) have awaken a sleeping giant.

[Noseypoo]

I have read your view on it, Jim, and this makes another interesting( I think) question. What does women think of this view? Is really a mans lust a womans responsability? I am not going after you , Jim, just wondering what other people think about this.It's not my responsibility, that's for sure ... but I won't provoke it, that's just not me.

On the other hand I don't see what Lust has to do with Nudity {fonzy}
I think that's where a lot of people mess up, wasn't Adam and Eve put on this earth bucknekkid? Nothing shameful there, but now all of a sudden ... *BAM* ... being naked is no good.

Makes ya wonder ...

[Noseypoo]

I am afraid we (you - Nosey dear) have awaken a sleeping giant. Maybe it already slept too long ... which isn't good either {toothy}

[Hannamoren]

Agree, I think this is very interesting!

[raybeck]

It's interesting....but, just let me have MY clothes and MY purse and I'm happy...{mm}

[Hannamoren]

Trust me, my clothes are going no-where! But it is interesting to hear what other people look upon this.

[jamesglewisf]

I have read your view on it, Jim, and this makes another interesting( I think) question. What does women think of this view? Is really a mans lust a womans responsability? I am not going after you , Jim, just wondering what other people think about this.

First off, argue with me all you want. That's your right.

For a Christian woman, it is her responsibility to not dress provocatively. A man's lust is not a woman's responsibility; however, Matthew 18:6 and 1 Corinthians 8:13 both make it clear that Christians are not supposed to do things that tempt other people to sin. For instance, would you offer a beer to an alcoholic? Most people would agree that is wrong. Dressing in a manner that is designed to make men lust is likewise wrong.

Most theologians would say Europe and increasingly the US have both lost their moral base. And as Jeremiah 8:12 would say, they do not know how to blush. They no longer really know what to be ashamed of, and therefore, the no longer blush when they should. Most of Europe and the US have completely lost track of the fact that lust is a sin. They encourage and praise lust.

I think that's where a lot of people mess up, wasn't Adam and Eve put on this earth bucknekkid? Nothing shameful there, but now all of a sudden ... *BAM* ... being naked is no good.

The Adam and Eve argument is not even relevant. Adam hid in the garden because he was ashamed of his nakedness. Read Genesis 3.

Private nudity between a man and his wife is perfectly acceptable. Public nudity is not. I hate to say it, but most women are completely ignorant when it comes to men and their struggles with lust. Men and women are wired differently, and if women could spend one day with a man's lustful brain, they would see things differently.

[jamesglewisf]

Erm, yes. Quite a lot different, indeed.

Ask us again in a few decades Hanna, and we'll probably have caught up ;)
If by "caught up" you mean equally morally ignorant, you are not giving the US enough credit. I'm sure we will catch up quicker than that.

[Hannamoren]

morally ignorant,.Don't you think you are a bit hard on us? I hope this isn't how you look upon everyone who is not from the US.

[Noseypoo]

First off, argue with me all you want. That's your right.I doubt she had arguing in mind, just a question is all {fonzy}
I still don't see what Nudity has to do with lust ...
The Adam and Eve argument is not even relevant. Adam hid in the garden because he was ashamed of his nakedness. Read Genesis 3.Ok, Adam hid his nakedness, but at first he couldn't care less .... ok, god made them clothes, but that was after they sinned ...

[raybeck]

Well, we haven't had a "heated" thread in a while, huh? I see both sides, but tend to go with Jim's view point. Nearly all nudity, regardless of where it is seen, movies, etc., is sexually oriented over here. I personally do not like all the commercials, ads, etc. that our children are exposed to...it just makes it look like it is okay to our kids (sexually, I mean) and it is not. It promotes so many bad things for our youth the way it is displayed. I agree, that if the human breasts, for example, were just looked upon as a way for women to feed their young, it would be no big deal, but that is not how they are portrayed in our society, sad to say... You can hardly even watch a commercial, let alone a movie with your children anymore without feeling somewhat embarrassed, or if you have younger kids, having to explain something to them they might not be ready to hear yet. It's a tough deal, but I'm more for promoting a healthy atmosphere for us and our kids, it has gone way to far... and it is sad it can't be as simple as you say Noseypoo, but it just isn't!

[jamesglewisf]

Don't you think you are a bit hard on us? I hope this isn't how you look upon everyone who is not from the US.
Here's the deal. It is perfectly fine for noseypoo to start a thread where she calls people who disagree with her view on public nudity "prudes." You just have to expect a response to it. Especially on a board owned by a guy who has a whole website devoted to the opposite view.

Noseypoo in her first post called people prudes who don't like public nudity. Theyeti said that the US needs to "catch up" with Europe and understand that it is OK to be publicly nude. Theyeti and noseypoo are basically saying that the US is morally ignorant about public nudity and needs to learn what Eureope has already figured out -- that public nudity is morally correct.

If most of Europe thinks it is morally correct to walk around nude or topless at the park, then I would call that morally ignorant about public nudity and lust.

If you think the Bible is wrong about lust and nudity, then you probably think I am morally ignorant for believing it. Noseypoo calling me a prude is basically saying that I am morally ignorant about lust and public nudity. She is saying that if I knew the truth, then I would not worry about public nudity and lust. She is calling me morally ignorant; she just used the term "prude" to do it.

Do I think that the US is better morally than everyone outside of the US? Emphatically no. That is totally unbiblical and a fantasy for those Americans who believe it.

BTW, Americans do breast feed in public, they just don't expose themselves when doing it.

[raybeck]

If by "caught up" you mean equally morally ignorant, you are not giving the US enough credit. I'm sure we will catch up quicker than that.

To me that quote simply means the United States is headed in a direction that is not favorable to high moral standards, I don't think he meant it directly at any one country. At least that how I read it.

[jamesglewisf]

I still don't see what Nudity has to do with lust ...

Again, that is because you are a woman and not a man. Men know that nudity has everything to do with lust.
Ok, Adam hid his nakedness, but at first he couldn't care less .... ok, god made them clothes, but that was after they sinned ...
We live after they sinned. If God did not think they needed clothes, he wouldn't have given them any. He would have corrected Adam's misconception right there and said that public nudity was fine. God didn't do that. He slew an animal and made clothes for Adam and Eve.

[jamesglewisf]

Don't get the wrong idea about how I feel about Europeans. My wife lived there for four years and loved it. I traveled there for almost five months and loved it. I love the countries, and I love the people.

I hope we get hundreds more of Europeans joining Frappydoo.

Just don't call me a prude (morally ignorant about nudity) without expecting an argument.

[jamesglewisf]

BTW, one of the great things about the internet is that I can surf while naked and no one knows. ;)

[Hannamoren]

BTW, one of the great things about the internet is that I can surf while naked and no one knows. ;){yikes} {bawling2} Oh, no you shouldn't have said that! Now everytime I see your posts , I am going to wonder if you are naked ......{laughc}

[raybeck]

BTW, one of the great things about the internet is that I can surf while naked and no one knows. ;)

Well, geeeesh, this sheds a whole nother light on the subject....lol

[Justawoman]

Again, that is because you are a woman and not a man. Men know that nudity has everything to do with lust.

We live after they sinned. If God did not think they needed clothes, he wouldn't have given them any. He would have corrected Adam's misconception right there and said that public nudity was fine. God didn't do that. He slew an animal and made clothes for Adam and Eve.

1. I am a woman and I think the male body is wow!! Wear clothes if you don't want me drooling and thinking things I shouldn't.... it is not just a man thing.

2. God corrected Adam and Eve after the fact. The fact being that they were okay in their birthday suits until they realized they were naked. It was then they hid their presence from God, not because of their nakedness necessarily but because they did the very opposite of what they were instructed to do, to get to remain in Paradise. Just like children now who disobey, they try to hide. If sin had never occurred in the garden then no one would be hiding behind clothes today.


I personally don't have a problem with breast feeding in public. It is a natural thing. But of course I think it shouldn't happen simply because of all the perverts out there that can turn a dime into something sexual if they so desire. That is our societies problem right there. I don't have a problem with seeing a young woman in town wearing shorts and a bikini top. I do have a problem with the thong thing above the jeans waist line. That is far too suggestive. I don't like those really short shorts that should technically be called panties. Leave a little something to the imagination.

[Noseypoo]

Just don't call me a prude (morally ignorant about nudity) without expecting an argument.I apologize, guess we're both morally ignorant in our own way then ;) And I for once, can't stand arguing ... discussing and looking at all the points of the big pictures ... I'm all for it.

I just prefer my way is all, not trying to convince anybody to think the way I do. I was just venting {hug}

[Grimey]

2. God corrected Adam and Eve after the fact. The fact being that they were okay in their birthday suits until they realized they were naked. It was then they hid their presence from God, not because of their nakedness necessarily but because they did the very opposite of what they were instructed to do, to get to remain in Paradise. Just like children now who disobey, they try to hide. If sin had never occurred in the garden then no one would be hiding behind clothes today.

I really don't want to put my dog in this fight, but I think this disagrees with Scripture.

Gen 3:7-10
7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves loin coverings.
8 And they heard the sound of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and the man and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God among the trees of the garden. 9 Then the LORD God called to the man, and said to him, "Where are you?" 10 And he said, "I heard the sound of You in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid myself."

They covered themselves because they knew they were naked. They hid themselves because they knew they were naked.

[pack momma]

{anon} {anon} Most theologians would say Europe and increasingly the US have both lost their moral base. And as Jeremiah 8:12 would say, they do not know how to blush. They no longer really know what to be ashamed of, and therefore, the no longer blush when they should. Most of Europe and the US have completely lost track of the fact that lust is a sin. They encourage and praise lust.


The Adam and Eve argument is not even relevant. Adam hid in the garden because he was ashamed of his nakedness. Read Genesis 3.




Good points, James I agree wholeheartedly, The Adam and Eve argument is relevant, though, in the fact that. before sinning Adam and Eve were oblivious to their nakedness. Adams thoughts upon first meeting Eve was not of lust, but relief at having another of his own kind. "At last....bone of my bone, flesh of my flesh, etc" Is was only after the sin (losing their innocence and consciously acting in opposition to God that they became ashamed, using their nakedness as an excuse to hide from God. Their wrongdoing was as openly exposed to God as their nakedness. This is what they endeavored to conceal. noting later excuses.
In the meantime, my imperfect body is keeping its clothes. sweatpants and mu mu's

[Justawoman]

But you yourself admit that they didn't know about their nakedness before sinning. How did they know they had sinned if they had not received prior instruction from God about what was allowed and what was not. It does not say in Genesis, " you shall not go around naked...." Nakedness was natural. When they slipped up only then were they aware of their nakedness. They may have hid their nakedness but it was because they had transgressed a rule that God gave them prior. If God saw they had covered their bodies it would have been a dead give away that they were not following His prior instructions. The nakedness itself was not the sin, but it did allow for sin to come into the picture. If what you say is truth, then God would have sat Man down in the Garden of Eden fully clothed the minute God breath life into Man. He didn't do that, did he?

[ddd917]

I agree, its not that there is naked everywhere you look. It is that people dont look at it as just another body, they judge what they see with what they have in front of them, its they rather look and took the other bodies, instead of the bodies they have in front of them, whether it is man or women. We just tired of being judged against another or not getting any because they (Man or women) would rather look at or touch something else. I love being naked. And the sin adam and eve did was eating the apple not being naked, after they bit the apple, thats when they seen eachothers nakedness.

[jamesglewisf]

Yes, and after they sinned by eating the forbidden fruit, God killed an animal and made garments out of animal skin to clothe them.

[Dude111]

But clothes are UN-NATURAL!!

We were born Naked Jim as you know and i think its silly for ppl to think thier bodies are dirty... (Only time that is IS WHEN THEY DONT BATHE)